Israel should be made to end apartheid | Letter to the editor

Posted 6/11/21

The world is finally starting to realize that after 74 years of what’s going on in Israel is apartheid.

And like South African apartheid, the world needs to apply pressure on Israel through …

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Israel should be made to end apartheid | Letter to the editor

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The world is finally starting to realize that after 74 years of what’s going on in Israel is apartheid.

And like South African apartheid, the world needs to apply pressure on Israel through BDS (Boycott, Divest, Sanction) to end its inhumane treatment of Palestinians. People are no longer afraid of being called “anti-Semitic” when they criticize Israel’s violation of international law.

Israel is finally being taken to the International Criminal Court for its decades of human rights abuses and violation of international Law. Netanyahu created the latest barbaric crisis to distract from this and his political troubles. The U.S. must stop sending $3.8 billion in “aid” to Israel which they use to bomb civilians. We must stop giving Israel diplomatic cover in world bodies like the United Nations. We must stop vetoing UN resolutions which are trying to hold Israel accountable for human rights violations. We must stop selling them weapons systems.

Israelis would have plenty of security if they were not carrying out an illegal occupation. House demolitions, child imprisonment, mosques tear gassed, bombing of imprisoned Gazans, keeping Palestinians in horrible repressive conditions. If Israel would stop being an illegal occupying power their security would be much better.

The resistance has a right to exist under international law under any moral system, as the Nazi Resistance did in Germany.

The most viable solution is a state that gives equal rights to all of its citizens. The two-state solution was destroyed by facts on the ground of settlements, occupation and apartheid. Israel does not have the basis or will to solve this. So the whole world must support the Palestinian civil society call for BDS to help make that happen. Those are the non-violent tools we have.

Israel-Palestine needs our help in creating a just peace and democratic state for all.

Kit Kittredge
QUILCENE

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Justin Hale

So you would replace Israel with what ? A Hamas-led government? The "Palestinian civil society",,,,,what is that ?

Saturday, June 12
Tom Camfield

Justin: I believe you said in response to a similar letter: “If you want to see another Islamic state in the middle east then defund Israel.” I don’t believe Islam should be painted as a true enemy of civilized society when Hamas. in Palestine, is actually just a terrorist organization. A Reuters story Oct 11 is headlined ”New Israeli government seals coalition deals as Netanyahu era approaches its end“ (after 12 years). The story takes note that “Netanyahu, Israel's longest-serving leader, will be succeeded on Sunday by a coalition that includes for the first time a party from Israel's Arab minority.” So we’ll see how things go.

Saturday, June 12
Justin Hale

"Hamas. in Palestine, is actually just a terrorist organization. " .....Oh, OK, what could go wrong? Let's put them in charge.

I hope that someday there will be peace among them, but so far I'm not encouraged. When we figure that out we can address the issue of the taking of the North American continent from the indigenous Peoples.

Sunday, June 13
HarveyW

A brave letter. As a simple fool, I always wondered from teen years on how a people, the Jewish people, who were so abused and terrorized by a "chosen people" could have so little sense of doing the same to Palestinians.

This simple fool also wondered if that after such a long time gone from the homeland, and displacing those who were there, that perhaps Native Americans under the same moral code should be given back their homeland.

I am though, just a simple fool. Terrorism can be a reaction, or a slow action. I am though, just a simple fool.

Brave letter. All are human. All deserve dignity. The worst among any and all are not all. Or most.

Saturday, June 19
Justin Hale

HarveyW,

Maybe the Jewish people learned that complacency in the face of those intent on your destruction was not the right path.

Saturday, June 19
HarveyW

A very simple answer anonymous. Should work for Native Americans as well. I have many great Jewish friends, just know them as individuals. And Native Americans. All seem to have a sense of treating others as you would like to be treated.

Power seems to forget the basics at times. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. In physics and Hermetic principals. We are here to figure out our individual places in this little play. We should not have simple answers at the end of it.

Sunday, June 20
Justin Hale

I believe if you ask the majority of those who support the Palestinians if they would be willing to give up their claim to the land they live on back to the indigenous peoples who lived here before most would say hel no.

I'll go with the guy who said "Our life is frittered away by detail. Simplify, simplify, simplify!"

Sunday, June 20
HarveyW

All just food for thought anonymous. We won't solve the middle east here. Cant solve local power grabbers and abusers here locally.

Simple is my tribe take what your tribe has. By force, slight of hand, or fear and terror. Most all tribes, even those not thinking of themselves as tribal have that in the DNA.

Again, what we do individually apart from tribe is what most cultures believe we have to somehow reconcile at the end of this trail.

Do unto others. There but for the grace of god go I. Or me first.

Monday, June 21
HarveyW

Hate it when I hit post comment and didn't point out the point someone made for me.

Anonymous, of course you don't want to give up your home to Native Americans after several generations of your family owning your land and home. Your life would be in upheaval.

You do seem to be racist to expect another should after many more generations in another place. Simple? Do unto others or me first. Tribalism. Power. Might is right. Some are less than others.

Complex or simple?

Monday, June 21
Dage Corvish

If the inhale virus is going to 'go with the guy' and paraphrase Mr. Thoreau, perhaps a better understanding of the context of the statement would be in order, unless he intends to put a 21st century spin on a 19th century thought and join the growing numbers of homeless who are taking to quieter, wooded expanses on the fringes of society (though mostly not by choice).

If he wants to 'go with the guy,' perhaps he might also discover Mr. Thoreau's writings about humanity (and inhumanity), which still apply to the situation of the topic at hand. However, willful ignorance is the most insidious form of the condition and gives comfort and strength to those so afflicted.

Monday, June 21
Justin Hale

You're right H.W, the problem in the M.E. is complex and not easily solved, obviously. Thankfully it is not up to me to solve that problem. I do believe that the anti-Israeli/ pro-Palestinian sentiments expressed in this opinion letter and others that appeared recently are misguided.

Monday, June 21
HarveyW

Pro everyone, my anonymous friend. Not so simple then, is it? So many are lost in the tribal party lines. Port Townsend to Israel to Palestine. Few are the men and women who can stand on their own. And not be anonymous, and so, flippant in their simple words.

Monday, June 21
HarveyW

And deeds.

Monday, June 21
Justin Hale

Too cryptic HW, try using simple language.

Tuesday, June 22
Tom Camfield

Actually, I'd like to hear a bit more from Harvey on the "me first" aspects of our society, as they are so epitomized by Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell and that aimless little weasel in South Carolina.

Tuesday, June 22
Justin Hale

HV>"So many are lost in the tribal party lines".....

TC> " the "me first" aspects of our society, as they are so epitomized by Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell and that aimless little weasel in South Carolina."

You mean like that?

Tuesday, June 22
HarveyW

Tom-

The Me First aspects are well documented by what Joe King and Kay Ossian call my "ranting" and "mental illness" regarding my comments over several years. The purpose of such "seagull diarrhea ranting" is just to provide a counter dialogue to the script, and not be part of the problem that impacts so many locally. Including myself.

Anonymous would like the "foaming at the mouth rants". Most offenders seem not to be from his tribe. Joe King and Kay Ossian are Exhibit A representing dumbed down, don't question authority, non critical thinking, local voters. Who need to belong to something. Even when it damages.

The tribalism of the elite here is not removed by the non critical thinking public. It now feeds on itself in so many places, from Cherry Street, ignoring all aspects of parking, especially planning, City debt, the FWPDA fiasco, roads in critical disrepair as $600k in debt is incurred for a butt ugly carbon heavy "park" at the visitor center. And so much more. And we have the gall to speak of the Middle East.

That occurs right here in River City, Tom, you patriot. A microcosm of the macrocosm. I do see after my efforts for years that the word corruption is used by others. The dots are connected by some. Not all my doing of course, I think I assisted. People I respect tell me it matters.

I bail out now. No end in sight to this Tower of Babel. Tom and anonymous can dance all night. Could push this to 50 comments. No danger of peace in the Middle East breaking out.

The simple message and cornerstone is everyone should be treated with dignity and respect. Tribalism is very real, as anonymous and Tom illustrate. Why would they think others in other lands could overcome it?

Food for thought reader. Chew slowly. Don't swallow everything without critically thinking about what you are fed.

I yield the floor to Tom and Anonymous. Go.

Wednesday, June 23
Poetry Corner Interlude

"Maybe The Poet"

For Tom and anonymous to dance to

Maybe the poet is gay

But he'll be heard anyway

Maybe the poet is drugged

But he won't stay under the rug

Maybe the voice of the spirit

In which case you'd better hear it

Maybe he's a woman

Who can touch you where you're human

Male female slave or free

Peaceful or disorderly

Maybe you and he will not agree

But you need him to show you new ways to see

Don't let the system fool you

All it wants to do is rule you

Pay attention to the poet

You need him and you know it

Put him up against the wall

Shoot him up with pentothal

Shoot him up with lead

You won't call back what's been said

Put him in the ground

But one day you'll look around

There'll be a face you don't know

Voicing thoughts you've heard before

Male female slave or free

Peaceful or disorderly

Maybe you and he will not agree

But you need him to show you new ways to see

Don't let the system fool you

All it wants to do is rule you

Pay attention to the poet

You need him and you know it

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Wednesday, June 23
Justin Hale

Bruce Cockburn, one of my favorites.

Wednesday, June 23
Dage Corvish

Really? Do you ever listen to his lyrics or do you just hear the music?

Wednesday, June 23
One Tribe

Got to kick at the darkness, 'till it bleeds daylight........Bruce

Thursday, June 24
Tom Camfield

I suspect that most readers are more interested in the following Yahoo! News story than struggling with music and poetry when it comes to reality.

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Headline: "Rudy Giuliani suspended from practicing law in N.Y. over false 2020 election claims."

]Story: (Crystal Hill·Reporter

Thu, June 24, 2021, 9:32 AM:

Rudy Giuliani, the former personal attorney for former President Donald Trump, was suspended Thursday from practicing law in New York.

Giuliani, who was also a New York City mayor and U.S. attorney, had propagated baseless claims of widespread voter fraud and tried to persuade state legislators to override the will of the voters during the 2020 presidential election

A New York appellate court found that “there is uncontroverted evidence that respondent communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers and the public at large in his capacity as lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump and the Trump campaign in connection with Trump’s failed effort at reelection in 2020.”

Rudy Giuliani addresses supporters of then-President Donald Trump in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021.

Rudy Giuliani addresses supporters of then-President Donald Trump in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021. (Reuters/Jim Bourg/File Photo)

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“These false statements were made to improperly bolster respondent’s narrative that due to widespread voter fraud, victory in the 2020 United States presidential election was stolen from his client,” the decision said. “We conclude that respondent’s conduct immediately threatens the public interest and warrants interim suspension from the practice of law, pending further proceedings before the Attorney Grievance Committee.”

Giuliani's attorneys said that they’re “disappointed” with the court’s decision, according to a statement shared on Twitter. “We believe that once the issues are fully explored at a hearing, Mr. Giuliani will be reinstated as a valued member of the legal profession,” the statement said.

The decision comes after an investigation into complaints of professional misconduct against Giuliani, the court said. Attorneys who practice law in New York must abide by the state’s Rules of Conduct, which govern the appropriate conduct of lawyers.

It cites an instance in which Giuliani repeatedly stated that there were more Pennsylvania absentee ballots that came in during the election than were sent out, which was not true. “The true facts are that 3.08 million absentee ballots were mailed out before the general election, which more than accounted for the over 2.5 million mail-in ballots that were actually tallied,” the decision said.

Giuliani also claimed to have “hundreds of witnesses, experts, and investigative reports,” that proved there was fraud, “none of which have been provided or identified,” the court said.

Rudy Giuliani speaks at a news conference in November 2020 at the Republican National Committee about lawsuits contesting the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

Rudy Giuliani speaks at a news conference in November 2020 at the Republican National Committee about lawsuits contesting the outcome of the 2020 presidential election. (Photo by Tom Williams/CQ-Roll Call, Inc via Getty Images)

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Giuliani was among a number of vehement supporters of Trump who falsely claimed that widespread fraud occurred during the election. Giuliani, with Trump’s campaign counsel Jenna Ellis, even went as far as to float the idea to Pennsylvania lawmakers that they could decide to give the state’s 20 Electoral College votes to Trump, even though the state had already certified Biden as the winner.

Trump’s campaign waged a lengthy court battle to try to steer the election in his favor, with virtually no success. Even GOP-appointed judges admonished the effort. Now, Trump's most vocal allies, including Giuliani, are facing legal consequences over the botched legal campaign. Dominion Voting Systems, the voting machine company that Trump allies baselessly accused of rigging the election, sued Giuliani; the CEO of MyPillow, Mike Lindell, a vocal Trump supporter; and former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell for defamation in January, ABC News reported Thursday. That litigation continues.

“The seriousness of [Giuliani’s] uncontroverted misconduct cannot be overstated,” the court said. Giuliani is suspended from practicing law in any form, effective today, until his disciplinary case has been concluded, the decision said. Giuliani has 20 days to submit a request for a post-suspension hearing.

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Thursday, June 24
Justin Hale

Really? The discussion/letter was about supporting our ally Israel or not, and you want to know if I listen to Bruce Cockburn's lyrics ?????

Thursday, June 24